NORTHSHORE PRSA
Public Meeting # 2
Total = 39 responses; Note that not everyone responded to each question.
City/Unincorporated:
| Number |
City |
| 6 |
Bothell |
| 14 |
|
| 7 |
Woodinville |
| 8 |
Uninc.
|
| 1 |
Uninc.
|
| 2 |
Other:
|
| 1 |
No answer |
Option
Preferences:
| Rank Order |
Option 1 |
Option 2 |
Option 3 |
Option 4 |
Option 5 |
| 1 |
|
11 |
6 |
3 |
20 |
| 2 |
|
5 |
10 |
18 |
3 |
| 3 |
|
3 |
16 |
13 |
4 |
| 4 |
2 |
16 |
4 |
1 |
9 |
| 5 |
33 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
|
| N/A |
4 |
2 |
2 |
3 |
3 |
Preferred City Location of Aquatic Facility:
| Rank Order |
Downtown Bothell |
Downtown |
Downtown Woodinville |
I-405/522 Intersection |
Hwy 522 Corridor |
|
| 1 |
5 |
3 |
5 |
14 |
1 |
6 |
| 2 |
10 |
5 |
1 |
10 |
5 |
3 |
| 3 |
8 |
4 |
9 |
3 |
7 |
2 |
| 4 |
8 |
2 |
10 |
2 |
6 |
2 |
| 5 |
2 |
13 |
5 |
3 |
4 |
5 |
| 6 |
|
3 |
3 |
3 |
10 |
13 |
| N/A |
6 |
9 |
6 |
4 |
6 |
8 |
Pool Characteristics:
| Option |
Size of Lap Pool |
Size of Leisure Pool |
Leisure Pool Amenities |
Est Cost/ Household |
|||||||
| |
Too
Small |
Just
Right |
Too
Large |
Too
Small |
Just
Right |
Too
Large |
Too
Much |
Just
Right |
Too
Few |
Accept-able |
Too
High |
| 2 |
15 |
10 |
|
18 |
3 |
1 |
|
4 |
15 |
21 |
2 |
| 3 |
16 |
9 |
1 |
9 |
15 |
1 |
1 |
17 |
6 |
22 |
3 |
| 4 |
19 |
9 |
1 |
4 |
21 |
4 |
8 |
18 |
2 |
23 |
5 |
| 5 |
|
29 |
4 |
|
20 |
13 |
12 |
19 |
|
20 |
13 |
What Should Be Added:
| Option |
Suggestion |
| 2 |
Remodeling |
| 3 |
Reduce staffing for young children Lap space that can be used while others are diving; bulkhead for 25-yard meets Outdoor or only outdoor leisure pool Increase length to 35-40 yards to provide warm-up area during meets and enough lane space A couple of extra lanes and room for diving that doesn't use up lap lanes |
| 4 |
Reduce staffing for young children Lap space that can be used while others are diving; bulkhead for 25-yard meets Lap space that can be used while others are diving; bulkhead for 25-yard meets A couple of extra lanes and room for diving that doesn't use up lap lanes Increase length of lap pool for warm-up during meets, shared space for lessons More space for water aerobics/exercise; 3-4-1/2 feet deep; 85-92 deg. Temp.; Make outdoor part available in winter too Enough spectator seats for holding competitions; concessions/snack shop; proximity to major roads/hotels |
| 5 |
Cost out soft roof amenities; delete outdoor; dive tank Reduce staffing for young children Size leisure pools at 4,000 each; cost is too high for community Multi-purpose room; concessions/café; proximity to office space for added event parking & increased revenue; more greenspace and multi-purpose rooms for parties/rentals (little leisure area can serve this feature) 1) 10 lanes; 2) Some sort of warm-up area outside of large pool for other laps and warm-up/warm-down area |
Other Comments:
Pool Amenity/Configuration Suggestions:
ˇ Refine warm water pools to include professional offices such as physical therapist to promote therapy facility; include watsu facilities
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Option 5 is focused too much on recreation/leisure, the size
of the lap pool is good but you don't need all the extra leisure pool stuff.
I like the idea of an outside pool.
If you can develop a cover for the outside leisure pool, then you don't
need the indoor one (e.g.,
ˇ
Refer to Liz and Linda's document for details;
2) Traffic is terrible at St. Edward (Bastyr has
increased traffic;
ˇ Please give consideration to high school needs. Having only one pool for 3 high schools is insufficient. Pools need to be at least 11-ft deep for synchro & diving! 2) Options 6= renovate St. Eds & build Option 4
ˇ A 50-meter pool would be in high demand by area teams, as one of the few "long course" pools in the area for practice and meets April - July. Good income source?! Option 5 seems to have better balance of indoor/outdoor water area because the outdoor season is too short
ˇ 1) If the existing pools can't operate on their own, what will happen to all the groups that use the pools? 2) I feel it is important that we have at least an 8-lane competitive pool, but we also need an outdoor leisure pool to attract more people and bring in more money
ˇ Option 2 is the only acceptable one. 2) Would accept more cost if lap pool were 50-m and the leisure pool were smaller. 3) I would like to see an option that guarantees continued operation of St. Edward and Northshore plus 50-m pool and much more modest leisure pool. Current options don't provide for competitive swimmers and also keep neighborhood pools available
ˇ 1) We need this in our area (Option 4 or 5); 2) One concern that I have is if we were to close two pools to build 1 facility we would be making it hard for many families to put the miles into driving to swim lessons and whatever
ˇ 1) Modify Option 5: large lap pool; small indoor therapy pool (88-92 deg), 2-4-ft deep, used for kids, water aerobics, etc.; outdoor component for recreation (cover w/ bubble?). 2) Why have a recreational pool both indoors and outdoors? 3) Don't like the odd shape of indoor leisure part. Not as flexible. 4) Want the pool to pay for itself. 5) Flexibility is the key. Need a facility that accommodates water aerobics, water therapy, swim lessons, lap swimmers, competition, recreation, etc. 6) Prefer year round facility or have an outdoor component that could be covered with a bubble or something in winter. 7) St. Edward Park is beautiful but accessibility for a regional pool is not good; don't pick it
ˇ Lap pool must be longer than 25-m to allow lessons and lap/competitors uses at the same time. 2) Club and high school teams need the warm-up space and we need more lanes to have enough capacity for all the schools and clubs
ˇ A removable roof over leisure pool would be nice
ˇ We need to renovate both or one of the existing pools and build option 3. Options 4 & 5 are too much. Would like to explore the expansion of St. Edward to add more at the existing site
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Addresses needs of highest frequency users for access.
2) Adding some range of amenities increases user/visits.
Suggest you look at
Governance Suggestion:
ˇ RCW 36.48.400 vs RCW 36.69 for governance. Note: PRSA leaves the cities obligated legally; current PRSA bonding, if intermixed to another park service could be violations of authority or allow redirection
General Comments:
ˇ You really need to cater to the 16-18 year olds because we have nothing to do
ˇ I would hate to see the St. Edward and Northshore Pools go to waste. Hopefully we can compromise on new pool and old
ˇ Thanks for the work. A comprehensive aquatic facility is a critical component to good quality of life
ˇ It's not OK to do nothing
ˇ A combination of renovation and a new solid pool would be ideal, but it cannot be too large and too pricy; otherwise, it will be rejected
ˇ If you plan to tax the public to build a pool, please try hard to do it right; include all possible amenities to enhance use. Perhaps help people understand the health benefits and cost savings. Anyway, NW Parks Foundation can help - perhaps we need to work toward securing health care industry dollars? After all, who benefits financially the most (if not the health care industry). Thank you for all you efforts
ˇ Talk to the State at the state or regional level, not at the park level
ˇ This area cannot support a big pool